Let's see if I can get this right - I've been trying to get my thoughts around Orwellian Socialism, skepticism and the 21st century for a while and I'll try to get it down in one piece.

It's first important to note that Socialism hasn't really had a decent go at any stage, anywhere. I think the closest we've had are the UK Government of Clement Attlee, and the NZ Government led by the Magnificent Michael Joseph Savage, creator of the welfare state.

That is the kind of Socialism I'm talking about - Orwellian Socialism that begins with a capital S - it is the diametric (and dialectic) opposite of Conservatism. It counts all people as equal, is democratic, and will not allow the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor. (Note this has nothing to do with 1984, but is about Orwell's essays and personal opinions.)

Ok, so first off, we go to skepticism.

I don't want to raise the old "skeptics can be religious" because I think that "official" position is quite absurd. What's the point of saying that one form of Magick doesn't work if you claim an even bigger and bullshittier one does? The baby Jeebus is every bit as [more?] illogical and unsupportable as belief that reiki works.

I am crediting skeptics with a little intelligence here, so I think it's a given that a skeptic must see all people/colours/genders/......... as equal. I also expect skeptics to be able to accept that society has been the driving force behind human expansion and dominance. No grouping: no plunder. We are successful because we bond into groups. You could even make a pretty good argument that this is why England dominated the world until they got out-bred; they were always a cohesive unit, unlike the Frogs, Dagoes, Krauts and Russkies. Ditto the Romans before them; whatever legion you belonged to, you were Rome, and when in Rome, do as you're fucking told.

If you accept that humans are equal and that our evolution demands we work together, then you must be a humanist, and to my way of thinking, Socialism is a default position for humanists.

Whatever way you look at humanism, their self-described beliefs scream "Socialism". Whether you're in NZ, Australia, UK or USA, humanism is "a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively..." (Wiki)

The only way that goal can possibly be achieved is by Socialism. We've been trying "trickle down" for the past 35-40 years, and sadly, the wealth trickles up, not down. There are endless statistics that show this to be true.

I'm confident Libertarians and Conservatives who self-identify as skeptics will disagree violently - if we have any of those here - but in my analysis of those people, all I see are people who are not applying their skepticism fairly or even reasonably. It's all very well to say that Darwinian evolution favours the strong, but that's only true until you build society. Without grouping, humans are easy fodder for every predator above 30 kg on the planet. Show me the strongest man in the world in a fight against a baboon and the bloke will be dead in seconds.

I will also add that those Libertarians and Conservatives neatly ignore the fact that wealth must be created, and it can only be created by trading with other people. Hedge funds, gold miners, you name it, and they can only enrich themselves by earning money other people have created or earned. One-sided swaps aren't going to earn any money, nor is the gold miner, until some Indian chick buys herself her 150th gold bracelet.

Libertarianism and Conservatism are perfectly valid forms of democratic government, but there is no skeptical argument available that supports either. Not that I'm aware of, anyway. 

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